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Alley Antiques
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Who made this Victorian Desk?
« on: February 14, 2009, 09:37:24 PM »

We recently purchased an interesting Victorian desk. Thought it might be fun to see if anyone could guess the maker. I do know the maker as the desk has a makers label. I will throw some clues your way. This is a Victorian double pedestal rotary desk. Dates to the 1880s. It is made of solid cherry (refinished). It was made in North America. Top drawers are hand dovetailed. Has original drawer pulls. 3 drawers over 2 rotating cupboards. Each cupboard fitted with drawers. Do you know who made this? One last clue: it was not made by Wooton.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2009, 02:09:02 PM »

Stumped me.  Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 05:35:46 PM »

how about moore?

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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 07:37:06 PM »

It is not Moore. To tell the truth, I had never heard of this Company until I stumbled upon this desk. When I first saw the desk, I thought it was by Wooton. Then I saw the brass manufacturers tag. I did some research and found out that this company made a flat top rotary desk, and shortly after that they made a roll top version rotary desk, along with other office and school furniture.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 09:17:17 PM »

It's Canadian - Stahlschmidt
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 09:58:55 PM »

Hardwood is correct. The desk was made by William Stahlschmidt Preston Ontario, Canada. Preston is now called Cambridge. W. Stahlschmidt started business in 1884. By the early 1890s it merged and became the Canadian Office and School Co. I thought it was interesting how similar their desk is to the Wooton rotary desk. Wooton had a patent on the rotary desk. Wooton's business was winding down by 1884 or 1885. Did the patent run out? Did Wooton give Stahlschmidt permission to use the patent? Did Stahlschmidt make the desk in spite of the patent? I have no idea, but it makes me curious.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 12:20:54 PM »

I wonder what International observance of U.S. patents was at the time.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 03:12:34 PM »

Quote from: Rare Victorian on February 16, 2009, 12:20:54 PM
I wonder what International observance of U.S. patents was at the time.

I know nothing of the mysteries of patent law, and even less of utility patents (which would apply to the desk under discussion). With regard to design patents, however, there was apparently no international recognition of those rights in the late 19th century.

Dr. Christopher Dresser zealously guarded his designs, and complained of the American "knock-offs". The wallpaper patterns he licensed to an American manufacturer were patented in the United States, which, while not unheard of, was relatively unusual. A few English wallpaper concerns (Woollam's, for example) even registered some wallpaper patterns in both the US and UK to avert "design poaching," something that presumably would not have been necessary had there been any international patent law in force.

Does the applicable Wooton patent claim reference the mechanical aspects of the desk's operation, or is it a more general patent such as "a desk with rotating columnar compartments"?
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 08:01:32 PM »

I just found a great Smithsonian Institution article on Wootons timeline and patents. It mentions about Wooton : "The 1876 catalog warned against patent infringements, and one wonders if that word of caution was unheeded by firms in Indianapolis and Richmond, Indiana; Cincinnati, Ohio; and Preston, Ontario, that proceeded with Rotary Desks and variations on the basic Wooton theme. Perhaps Wooton sold his patent rights, or possibly the desks of these firms were sufficiently different to be innocent of patent violations.One lawsuit over the Rotary Desk design did occur in England in May 1876 between Wooton's representatives and the makers of the Royd desk; the court ruled in favor of Wooton." 
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 08:10:16 PM »

This thread is pretty old but I hope that some of the participants are still active in this lovely, new-to-me forum. Many years ago, I inherited a black walnut cylinder-pedestal rolltop desk, which I want to believe was made by the Canadian W. Stahlschmidt & Company. However, the faithfulness by which that Preston, Ontario firm copied the Wooten model, made in Indianapolis about ten years earlier, leaves me unsure. I've read the exhaustive Wooten history published by the Smithsonian Institute in the late 1960s but I have never seen another example of either maker's work in person. I did learn recently that there's an unattributed example just a weekend journey from my home. I will make the trip soon.

My desk was brought to western Canada by my grandfather, who moved from southern Ontario in 1928. The structure was partially repaired at some point, probably due to reclimatisation in the dry prairie air. The base of the desktop insert was replaced with plywood and a black leatherette cover was installed. An embossed, Greek Key border partially remains of the original insert. The rest of the desk appears to be original and has survived in fine, well-used condition.

The built-in accessories and some decorative details of my desk differ from the photos of several others that I've found on the Internet. Principally, the base panels of mine are plain molded, with the centres set with gorgeous thick veneers of burled walnut. They don't have the partly-routered frame edges and carved top half-medallions that appear on all other examples I've seen, including the one presented here by Alley Antiques in February of last year.

The document cases in the cylinder wings are also different from those on Alley Antiques' piece. The left side has 4" square, open-ended, slide-in boxes, presumably sized for rolled sets of contracts. Up the centre are shallow flat drawers that are a bit too narrow for modern letter-size paper. The right wing has horizontal and vertical filing slots, similar to the far left side of the Alley Antiques desk. All of these delicate box-works are made of very thin solid lacewood (no warpage at all!) and have simple brass ring pulls.

The rolltop gallery above the work surface has three pigeonholes on each side, plus two small drawers and two clever little pencil trays, disguised as corbels. A flat apron spans between the banks of pigeonholes and displays the only fancy cuts on the whole desk, including a bit of vine-like gouge carving.

The brass pulls on the front of my desk are more Classical, with a beaded edge on the handle, than what I've generally seen on this type of desk. However, the escutcheon on the rolltop lock is full-blown Aesthetic nonsense. A Corbin Cabinet Lock Co. retractable strike is set flush into the frame of the work surface. It has a partially obscured patent date, which seems to read Dec 16 '78.

Without a maker's label and no trace that one was every fixed to my desk, I really don't know if I have a William Stahlschmidt piece or a probably more valuable American Wooten. My grandfather was fiercely nationalistic and proud of his and his wife's United Empire Loyalist heritages. They were active antiques collectors and, as far as I can tell, all of their finds where of high quality Upper Canada origin, some of it late 18th Century. Although his desk was only about fifty years old when he hauled it out west, he would have been mortified had he known that it might be American.  ~Rob in Edmonton, Alberta

For a resolutely Canadian example, please see: http://www.parl.gc.ca/Sites/collections/decorative_arts/furniture/desks/desks_thumbs-e.htm

Sorry, until I figure out how to post pictures to this forum, my word pictures will have to suffice as descriptions of my own desk. I'll keep trying.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 03:37:09 PM »

Wow, Rob, you really have alot of information! If only all of my pieces carried such an extensive provenance.

Please post pictures, once you figure out how to do so.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 04:19:27 AM »

KEVIN, thanks for the encouragement - trying again.
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 02:05:21 PM »

A beauty!  I have no further information for you, but I do know you should be very proud of that desk!
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2010, 12:04:47 AM »

KEVIN, be sure that I am! Now, I wonder how I can get the attention of Alley Antiques, who started this thread. I need to trade notes with him/her, to determine whether I have a Wooten desk or a very handsome Stahlschmidt copy.  ~Rob
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Re: Who made this Victorian Desk?
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 03:47:33 AM »

loyalist.relic - To contact Alley Antiques go to the members tab at the top of the page. Find Alley Antiques - click on their name and use the link to send them a message.   woodwright
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