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Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« on: February 26, 2009, 06:23:03 PM »

I have a general question that perhaps someone in the group can comment on.  Has anyone ever seen a single piece of furniture that was signed by John Jelliff?  I have been studying his work for some time now and have not.  Other than those documented few pieces (which do not appear to be signed), there seems to be a large body of work attributed to him that may or may not be from his shop.  John's recent post seems to point out that anything with female busts (heads) on the chair/sofa arms are usually attributed to his shop.  I am curious which company actually carved all these assorted arms as it appears that these along with Jenny Lind style heads,  bronze plaques. porcelain plaques, inlay panels, and other items were available in bulk and used by various furniture makers.  Accurate attributions in general have become much more complicated in recent years.

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Re: Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 01:12:07 AM »

I am also unaware of any signed furniture.  According to the Magazine Antiques, August 1972, he didn't even sign his drawings.  They tended to be on scraps of leftover paper (envelopes, etc.) 

He retired in 1860 due to stomach ailment and Henry Miller took it from there.  Jelliff apparently remained in an advisory role after 1860 so much of the late 1860s/1870s furniture was not made under his direct control.

I'm wondering where the Jelliff Co. historic records/ledgers are?  I would offer to spend hours scouring them for the entry for an order of "100 female bust arms" from xxxxxxxxxxxx Co.
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Re: Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 03:33:22 PM »

On this last point in my last message:
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I'm wondering where the Jelliff Co. historic records/ledgers are?  I would offer to spend hours scouring them for the entry for an order of "100 female bust arms" from xxxxxxxxxxxx Co.

I have written Ulysses Dietz at the Newark Museum to see if he knows where they are.  Stay tuned.

I have also previously written Kenneth L. Ames who has been studying Ren Revival furniture since the 70s and did not hear back from him.
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Re: Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 07:02:19 PM »

" Accurate attributions in general have become much more complicated in recent years."


OH BOY, have they ever and not just in victorian furniture either. The sad fact is "attributed to" is little more than a marketing tool these days.
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Re: Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:30:27 PM »

Got a reply from Dietz on the existence of any historical John Jelliff business documents:

"Alas, there are no surviving records of Jelliff & Co. that I know of.  The only documents, aside from a few invoices that we inherited with some furniture (the Vanantwerp house furnishings, that I used in an article in Antiques magazine) are a large series of sketches that John Jelliff did in the 1850s on various scraps of paper, and that came to us in 1954 from his granddaughter, Florence Peshine Eagleton (who was a trustee).   In on of my articles on Jelliff, I used the Dun Credit Ledgers at the Baker Library of Harvard University (the precursors to Dun and Bradstreet).  Those are the only business records that I've ever seen."
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Re: Furniture attributed to John Jelliff
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 04:48:51 PM »

 Cheesy  I wanted to weigh in again, even though this is an antique post.  The current controversy over the Jelliff/Schrenkeisen attribution is still there, because of publications by at least two museums. I want to make it clear, as I did when I wrote in Antiques some years back, that I feel I am right and my much admired and revered colleagues are, well, wrong.  There are, to my knowledge, TWO known signed and dated pieces from Jelliff's factory. Both of these are early-ish. Newark Museum owns a dated 1855 Renaissance/Rococo bedroom dresser, and there was a gothic revival bookcase that came up a dozen years ago that was dated, as I recall, in the 1860s. Both of these pieces seem to have been dated by a workman, and the signature was an accident, rather than part of some routine of documentation.

As I've also always felt, once Jelliff ceased being a Newark-only cabinetmaker (i.e. once the transcontinental railroad system became really viable, after the Civil War), he became one of a number of "New York" furniture makers whose work was sold across the country.  He would have wholesaled through New York furniture brokers--who had better access to cross-country shipping.  The absence of catalogues and other documents in no way undermines the evidence built up in Newark over the past 75 years...
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