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bradley & hubbard brass aesthetic mirrors
« on: January 29, 2009, 02:33:23 AM »

greetings-

as a collector of victorian furniture i am certain that
i have followed many of the same steps other collectors
have covered. once the furniture bug is satiated, one begins
to collect the peripheral items which also belong in the
victorian home. the art of metalwork has intrigued me
for over 30 years and i am an avid collector of victorian
bronze home hardware (yes, door hardware). i have also
acquired several wonderful brass aesthetic mirrors(pics) which
can finally be attributed to bradley & hubbard from
their original u.s. patents. this all came to fruition when i recently
acquired the book "a brass menagerie - metalwork of the aesthetic
movement," by anna tobin d'ambrosio. this book is available
from lisebohm(website and ebay) and is an absolute "must have" for aesthetic brass
collectors. this book shows the same easel type
mirror pictured below with no attribution(page 70). it also pictures a
narrow mirrored sconce(attributed to b&h) and table top(page 34) which
matches the easel in design work. i hypothesized all three pieces were
made by the same designer / manufacturer. my pieces, the easel
mirror and a wider shaped sconce, do not carry any trademark
or actual patent date, but do carry the identifying marks "pat'd applied for."
using the patent search at the usgovpatent site and google patent
search i found three patents attributed to albert patitz of bradley
& hubbard showing these sconce frames (#d14619, d14272 and d14244).
i still have not found the exact easel, but i am certain it is also a bradley
and hubbard. i would also hypothesize that the large mirror
for sale in the accessory section of southhampton antiques is also
bradley & hubbard as the design is consistent with patitz designs shown in these
four items. the mirror also carries the same identifying "pat'd applied for."
if you have not tried using google patent search i highly recommend it as it is
far less cumbersome then using the us government's site and very worthwhile.
one word of warning though...the site is only as accurate as the
person who input the records. there are numerous spelling errors making
the search difficult at times. i found as many patent records under
"beadley and hibbard" as i did under "bradley and hubbard!"
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Re: bradley & hubbard brass aesthetic mirrors
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 04:28:26 PM »

Steve, any idea as to the value of your piece?  I had been contemplating buying the one (narrow one matching yours) in the attached photo.  If you look hard enough, you can see an unfortunate pushbutton switch which may have necessitated damage during it's placement.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 02:16:14 AM »

hello---

nice mirror and a match to the one pictured in the brass menagerie
book. its "frame and design" is patent #d14272. the original patent
does not show the candle holders, but yours appear to be the same
design as the book's. my mirror has a different candle holder but i feel
it is original too due to ebay auction# 310113202913. i have posted this
mirror which sold 1/13/09,  for $887.99. the price was somewhat suprising
to me as my easel was purchased for approx $300.00(1 year ago) and the wider
mirror was bought in an antique mall in jacksonville, florida for $45.00 (6 months ago -yes,
a bargain for certain). value is a difficult to place on certain items.
i bought both of my mirrors based on their superior design and
manufacture. i did not consider their maker in the equation but
as ebay suggests, bradley & hubbard may bring more money to the table.
your mirror is certainly the same quality and i would be interested
just like you. i would think 300-400.00 is fair but realize this is only
half what has just been realized in the last two weeks on ebay. the problem
with an auction is that it only establishes value of an item at the
moment it sells. all to often people get caught up in the auction
"heat" and pay far more then the rational thinker does. i am interested
in knowing if your possible mirror carries the patent date or simply
is marked "pat'd applied for?" also, have studied the mirror closely
along with the books picture and one can see that where your light button
has been installed there appears to be a large "hole" due to the flow of the
design. can't say for sure, but i'll bet a simple removal and there will
be no evidence of the switch or its' previous placement. let me
know how it turns out!
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 12:47:34 AM »

Hey stever,

Now here’s a post after my heart, my wife and I love those mirrors. Like you, after we filled our house with furniture, we now buy nice accessories to go with it. We also have a thing for brass doorknobs and have replaced all the bakelite ones that the house came with, with victorian ones. OK they don’t match on a door to door basis but we love them. I can’t afford Russell and Erwin aesthetic doorknobs but we have a nice mix of eastlake etc.

The first brass mirror sconce we bought was the Bradley and Hubbard one in the “Brass Menagerie” book. I had no knowledge of the book and this was about a year and a half ago. It was $200 at an antique flea market. It’s missing its candle cups, but is in great condition with a great patina on it. Candle cups, being removable, are often lost and I don’t consider that a serious defect. The sconce looks fine without them and replacement ones are available from almost any manufacturer of chandelier parts. I just stuck candles in it and it looks fine. I agree with Stever that the large hole where the switch is probably did not damage the Sconce, John, but was it drilled to accept the wiring for the sockets? These sconces are plentiful enough to be choosey, but if you want it electrified and the price is right, I say go for it. My Bradley and Hubbard sconce is stamped on the back “PAT APLD FOR 590”

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1794.jpg

My next sconce is very much like Stevers “easel” one only it is adapted for a wall hanger. The mirror part is the same and it has the same copper finish. Mine is copper plated iron. On the back is stamped “PAT APLD and what looks like “1     3”, its a rather hard to decipher stamping so perhaps a number or a letter is missing? I paid about $150.00  for it. Candle cups are also missing on this one.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1787.jpg

Here is a detail of the sconce part which differs it from Stevers easel version.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1781.jpg

Next one i have a pair of. They are not marked but look very much like the Bradley and Hubbard one. These were $350 for the pair and they are a pair. They have exactly the same patina and age look and I’m convinced they were always a pair and not an assembled set of 2. There are no discernable markings on them.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1791.jpg

Lastly I have this lovely one that is brass plating over iron that i bought for my wife as a birthday gift. It is unmarked as far as i can tell. The glass ‘jewels’ in it are not as bright as they look in the picture, that is from the flash. I paid $175.00 for it. It has no seperate candle cups, the candle holders unscrew for cleaning.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/aestheticsconce.jpg

Beyond loving these things, I know very little about them, but I’ll tell you what I think, take it with a grain of salt, but I have looked at and examined many over the years both recently and a long time ago so this is what i think:

There are many many of these, much more in a vaguely Rococo look than Aesthetic, but many nonetheless. They must have been extremely popular before the wide use of electricity and so perfect for a gentleman to straighten his hat or a lady to fix her hair with. They do look splendid with the candles lit and cast a wonderful warm glow about the home.

Many are solid brass and beautiful castings. Some are brass or copper over iron. It seems that the some of the same companies made them either way and the solid brass ones may have been more expensive than plated ones. Perhaps they were made solid at first then available as plated to lower manufacturing costs?

Most, if not all originals had a thin brass plate on the back to cover and protect the mirror. Later ones, probably 20th century versions had the mirror backing held on by a series of tabs with screws, much like a lot of modern picture frames. There are repros on some of them, the 2 dolphins and old bearded man ones have certainly been reproduced at one time and often the castings are very rough, nowhere near as sharp and detailed as the originals. I have never seen a repro Aesthetic one, only the more common rococo ones.

I have seen a lot of the different Aesthetic ones with the same mirror and a different sconce on them. I have counted at least 4 different candle sconces on the B&H one alone. I am convinced that all these sconces are original, just variations that the companies offered, perhaps they mixed and matched.

Candle cups, being removable, are often absent from the sconces.

I am also of the opinion that the Brass menagerie exhibition / catalog has drivin the prices of all Aesthetic brass up considerably, particularly if the piece is actually pictured in the catalog.

On a further note on brass sconces, there are non mirrored ones available. I don't know if these came on dressers, hall racks, mirrors etc, but I have seen them on and off furniture. Here's an Eastlake / Aesthetic one we have of a pair on either side of one of our dressers.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1797.jpg



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Re: bradley & hubbard brass aesthetic mirrors
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2009, 12:10:45 PM »

Great collection, Zeke.  After seeing the great pieces you have it makes me want to collect those too...

I need to go back and see what the price is for the one that I pictured.  I don't think it was a fair price by any means.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 09:39:35 PM »

Hey John,

Many thanks, Helen and I love these things, although she always kids me "how many mirrors do we need!"

The trick is to find them in shops where the seller really doesn't know what they are. If you are at an antique show and you see one at a dealer booth that also has transfer wear, aesthetic silverplate, ebonized furniture, a Bradley and Hubbard rocketship table and a copy of the Brass Menagerie book laying on the table, the mirror sconce will cost you about $1000.00  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 12:36:15 AM »

hello zeke---

nice to know there are other "metal" collectors out there!
i appreciate the time and effort you took in posting the many
pictures and information regarding their purchase. i especially
liked the frame which is much like the easel i own. interestingly
enough the candle arms are certainly the same design
as the mirrored sconce with prisms. i was very surprised
when you stated it was iron with brass finish
as i have not seen any yet that are cast iron. i suppose this
only makes sense as by using iron and reducing metal costs a
new group of buyers were gained in the marketplace. door hardware
is made in similar lines.

agree totally with your comments regarding the book and its
affect on prices. the book is amazing though and certainly one of the
best on showing aesthetic type pieces. i think they missed
some of the better door hardware though. clearly christesen's
lady and parasol design series is spectacular, but some of norwalk's
hardware is just as good or better. if you have not seen this
hardware manufacturer let me know and i'll post a few pics.

i do have one question ---- is the bar between the candle sconces
which provides support a smooth one or is it designed?
thanks again-
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 03:00:12 PM »

Ran into this marked B&H sconce this weekend but didn't buy it.  I think it was nearly 2 ft tall.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 09:48:49 PM »

Hey Stever,

I’ve been away 2 weeks and not ignoring your question! If you mean the bar on the sconce that is the same as your easel sconce, it’s just a smooth brass tube with a double threaded bolt running through it with the flowers acting as nuts to hold it together. Here’s a pic:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1798.jpg

I totally agree with you on the Brass Menagerie book, it’s really amazing and the only book available on Victorian Aesthetic brass. It represents only a few peoples collections though and a huge coffee table book would be most welcome. There is also the plethora of Victorian Brass that is Rococo and Renaissance that would not be considered a part of the Aesthetic movement, but nonetheless plays as important a role in the 19th century American metal objects story. Bradley and Hubbard metal objects alone would cover a voluminous tome. Door hardware is yet another huge part of the picture, what wonderful brass doorknobs exist in all the Victorian styles. All these things go so well and compliment a collection of Victorian furniture.

John,

The Bradley and Hubbard one you have pictured is really nice! I have seen this one as well as the one with 2 dolphins on top many times but more often than not later (reproductions?). Many of the sconces with the bearded man (Atlas?, Pan? The devil?) are not as intricate as the B&H one you have pictured. Some are such bad castings even a novice would notice them as a repro. Notice the candle holder on this is the same one as on some of the Aesthetic Sconces. I really feel they just mixed and matched the candle sconces to the mirrors and there exist many variants.

I found a rather interesting one last saturday in a shop that my wife just happened to buy me for Valentines day. It’s really much more arts and crafts than Victorian and there are no candle sconces, just a mirror. It’s an easel sconce and the easel itself is very Eastlake / Aesthetic. Construction is the same as my Aesthetic ones with a metal plate holding the beveled mirror in. It’s cast iron with a silver wash that is much worn and has a great patina. The weathered fence with broken hinges and a Lizard could very well be a Victorian motif? In any event, I’m going to remove the easel and hang it in the downstairs bathroom where we have a reptile and amphibian theme. Hey, collecting this stuff is all about having some fun!  Grin

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 10:00:23 PM »

Found another nice aesthetic mirror sconce at the King of Prussia show in PA last weekend.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/IMG_1827.jpg

Each one we find (this is number 7 in our house) my wife says this is the last one! However the brass had such a lovely patina and this one was in 100% original condition that we couldn't pass it up for $175. I have seen this one several times with a full bodied cherub instead of just the head. There seems to be enough variety in these that a collectors guide is surely needed. They do make an interesting collecting specialty, but this is absolutely the last one we buy... until the next one!  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 04:05:44 AM »

zeke---

one thing i have learned is that your garage can hold about
as much as your home! that's what i do when my wife
says no more.....! my garage is filled with many special
finds which have not made it in my house yet.  i have also
started to put architectural items in my backyard. i bought
a nice marble statue of a greek woman at a yard sale
not long ago. figured it was a shoe in for the stairwell landing.
it is now proudly sitting the yard.

another fine mirror.

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2009, 02:50:17 AM »

Hey Stever,

Great statue, it’s gorgeous! I love the folds in her robe as well as everything else about it! So is it permanently in your yard or will it someday make it to the stairwell? In any case it would look great anywhere!

I have a funny story that kind of relates to the statue and you placing it outside. It must have been 20 years ago when we were more or less new home owners looking for antiques. We found a victorian cast iron fern bench at a contents sale. It was sitting on a porch and had some rust on it. It was the end of the sale on a Sunday and we negotiated the price from $75 down to $35. I had to go home and get a hacksaw to get the bolts out of it as they would not turn and the damn thing was way too heavy to move but we got it home and I reassembled it with new bolts and I repainted with rustoleum white and put it in the yard. Sometime later we saw the same bench at an antique show for considerably more than we paid for it! We brought it in the house and it stayed in the bedroom for years. Fortunately, we’re older now and came to our senses and its now back outside where it belongs.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/Fernbench.jpg

Stever, you mentioned earlier in this thread about your Victorian door hardware, any chance you can take some pics and post it here, some good examples? I’m just in love with Victorian Brass.

Zeke
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 01:54:11 PM »

I saw a nice brass mirror on ebay and it made me think of Stever's & Zeke's post here on mirrors. Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/cl54y6  Nice design & details though the finish looks like it might not be perfect, hard to tell from the pics @ the listing. Priced @ $275 - seller also has a 30 day layaway plan. woodwright 
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 09:55:44 PM »

Thats a nice one Woodwright, actually the first Renaissance one I've seen. Thanks for posting it! It's great to see examples of Victorian brass and these objects were meant to compliment the furniture.

I found a brass book rack that is identical to the one in the "Brass Menagerie" book at a flea market on a table filled with various junk.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/Bookrack.jpg

The reason I'm posting this is I get the idea that Aesthetic taste Victorian brass items are a lot more common than one might think. Most of this stuff was just utilitarian objects and not high end product.


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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 01:31:33 PM »

Keeping with the brass theme of this thread I found a kind of nice Eastlake / Aesthetic fire screen recently. There was no fabric on it, but it was in remarkably good condition with no missing elements and it was cheap. The few I've seen of these over the years were either broken or had parts missing. These screw together and the little finials and spindles have a tendency to get lost, even though they are made of metal, they seem surprisingly fragile.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/zekenstein/Firescreen.jpg

By chance, we found a nice piece of fabric in a local specialty shop. It's a design by Charles Voysey from 1897 and the leaf pattern in the fabric picked up very nicely on the leaf pattern stamped into the brass frame. The fabric leans more towards arts and crafts, but I thought the birds fit in nicely with the Aesthetic movement theme of the fire screen and the fabric is more or less contemporaneous to the fire screen. I got some canvas stretchers, spray painted them with rustoleum brushed brass finish, stretched the fabric over it and attached it to the back. There were small existing holes punched through it so a few tiny brass screws hold the frame with fabric on it.  I think it came out rather nice.  Cheesy

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